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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jun 19, 2010 5:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

Rhetorical.......

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Poster: agstwst33 Date: Jun 19, 2010 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

No...not rhetorical...I did wish to receive answers back from the question.If I was being rhetorical,I would be asking the question in a persuasive manor, in a way to make you think of the obvious answer,but not needing to reply with an answer....And I think I asked a pretty,straight forward question,that can easily have an answer!...Do you even know what"rhetorical"means?..Anyway,where are the `90`s GD shows,and why doesn`t Sirius ever play them?......(see...it is a question!!)

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jun 19, 2010 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

Actually I know exactly what "rhetorical" means , but apparently you do not ....so here's the answer that really does not need to be said is....the 90s are not wothy of satellite radio play!

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Poster: agstwst33 Date: Jun 19, 2010 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

I`m not suprised at your arrogance...I`ve read other posts that you have postes,and most were written in a fashion that flat out shows you`re ignorance and failure to hear "great"music..(ie.`90`sGD)..Do you not have anything else to do,but sit and repeatedly listen,over and over to 1970`s GD?..It seems not!..by the way,you tell me what you think"rhetorical"means..and I`ll tell you if you`re correct.Because,I know exactly what it refers to....A good example of a rhetorical question would be..."How long must our people endure such injustice?"....A question,you MIGHT know the answer to,but realize the asker is not waiting on a response...But you wouldn`t understand...you`re too busy picking out Jerry`s flaws,unaware and way too stubborn to see and hear his magic...got anymore questions you need answering??

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Poster: deadmax Date: Jun 19, 2010 9:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

*grabs a bucket of popcorn*

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Jun 19, 2010 2:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

Ha Ha, broken internet hearts. Why rely on satellite radio? Bust your own '90's dead. Popcorn sounds great

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 19, 2010 9:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

Move up. I want to see this too...

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Poster: vapors Date: Jun 19, 2010 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

can't get too 'sirius' about this

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Poster: buscameby Date: Jun 19, 2010 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

well probably because the 60' 70's and some 80's are better-lol

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 19, 2010 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

I think its just a manner of quantity. You can pretty much throw darts at '67-77 blindfolded and come up with all manner of great shows. The 90s...not so much. I don't have the link handy, but somewhere there's an interview with (or article by) Gans somewhere where he talks about how tough it was searching through later-day Dead shows for stuff to play on his show. There's just not much there.

This post was modified by skuzzlebutt on 2010-06-19 17:19:50

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Poster: agstwst33 Date: Jun 19, 2010 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

I simply think....that they have it,just won`t play it,because of the negative responses that everyone else seems to have about `90`s GD music.I sure don`t have a problem finding material...I just never took Jerry`s mishaps,missed lyric`s or mumbling that serious.I laugh it off as a mistake...It seems alot of folks held him to a standard that ,not even they,could hold up!!..Why?is the question.He only tried to make "us" happy....and then you got these kidz who tear him down peice by peice,never hearing what was really there!....not right!

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 19, 2010 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

If everyone has a negative response to it, why would they play more???

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 19, 2010 10:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

"just won`t play it,because of the negative responses that everyone else seems to have about `90`s GD music"

Ever stop and think that maybe the reason they get these negative responses is because the music from that time simply wasn't very good?

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Poster: agstwst33 Date: Jun 19, 2010 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

No...I can`t accept that!The music is good,if not great,It`s just that it`s different in sound and technology from what the `70`s music was capable of....With new members,MIDI-tech,age,style,habits and under constant pressure to perform "perfect"shows,from critiques,the sound was bound to have changes.And its that,that people have issues with....Did people not expect the band to go through changes over 30+ years,that`s how selfish they are!.....instead of growing with the band,they find faults about them to make themselves feel better about their sad lives....

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 19, 2010 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

Of course the band went through changes. Anyone who's ever listened to a tape from 1968 and then 1978 understands that. But what YOU need to understand is that just because someone loves the GD doesn't obligate them to love or even like every era. A lot of people, including myself, just don't think the 90s stack up. Get over it.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 19, 2010 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

".instead of growing with the band,they find faults about them to make themselves feel better about their sad lives...."

How right you are - 6 song first sets, new tunes like Samba in the Rain and Wave to the Wind, 3 songs post space in the standard drums-space spot after 4 songs with one of those three post space songs bound to be a Chuck Berry/Buddy Holly cover, and the all under the big blaze of full on mega watt spotlights from "the man" while the key member's health steadily declined, yep, I should have "grown" with the band and not paid attention to how miserable my life had become.


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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 19, 2010 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History...... Billy K makes a point

I guess the original member wouldn't have any valid thoughts:
http://www.thefader.com/2007/06/06/whos-got-my-extra-bill-kreutzmann/

I was living in Mendicino when my girlfriend called and said he died and I flipped. I went into shock. I knew he was trying to go clean at the Betty Ford Center, and he came back and something happened. When you do stuff like that to your body, all your organs get weak. His body was ready to go, doggonit. He had kicked a few other times. and one time he had kicked and we were playing a show at the Shoreline Ampitheatre near Palo Alto, and he was really wired and it was like razorblades on your backbone or something. He played so great. He leaned over and said, “Billy, I’m so nervous.” And I was like, “You are playing your fucking ass off, shut up.” I was hoping he would stay like that, but unfortunately that drug pulls too strong.

I think if he had gotten himself clean again, which it looked like he was trying to do, he probably would have stopped playing in the Grateful Dead because I don’t think he really liked the Grateful Dead at the end there. That’s my honest feeling. I think he was doing it for money, I didn’t feel he was doing it for the fun anymore, I don’t think any of us were. I think the last five years in that band were kind of wasted. You can’t capture the magic in a box, even if there wasn’t drug problems with any of the band members and everybody was perfect. The art kind of leaves. The muse kind of pulls its energy out. My feeling was that he was always going to play with another band.

Read more: http://www.thefader.com/2007/06/06/whos-got-my-extra-bill-kreutzmann/#ixzz0rKHIpkTJ

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 19, 2010 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History...... Dan Healy weighs in

Jerry should have been a movie director. He was a good guitar player, and a fair to middling musician that for some reason became adopted by the audience, but there were things behind the scenes that he was even better at. He was an enabler of creative talent. I think he really believed in me and I can tell you that I really believed in him. The last six years or so, Jerry became such a hopeless junkie. He got eaten up by the scene. He didn’t really want fame. The drugs became a method of escape. I had to stand there and mix and watch him every night on stage. I would be in tears at the end of the gig, watching this once great man slowly decay. I just got to where I couldn’t do it anymore. I dropped out. It still upsets me.

Read more: http://www.thefader.com/2007/06/12/whos-got-my-extra-dan-healy/#ixzz0rKJQhsAK

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 19, 2010 1:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History...... Dan Healy weighs in

don't disagree with the last sentiment there at all but i often take what Healy says with a grain of salt. I mean the guy was obviously an extremely gifted engineer or whatever you call it but I always get the feeling that he thought he was actually in the band, or could be in the band or do better. I've heard a few things he's said about Weir and I put Garcia as more than a fair musician, I see him as a musician before a guitar player myself.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 19, 2010 3:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History...... Dan Healy weighs in

I agree with your caution . Sometimes it is good to have a little cold water thrown, on our view of the Dead ( I think it makes what they achieved more remarkable, considering their "limits"); but "fair to middling" may be a little too harsh . Garcia liked film, but in the pre-digital era , editing was rough ( it was a surprise to him how much so , when making the GD Movie ); and even more of a problem with him being a director, is he didn't want responsibility, to be the boss . Many of the greatest directors were/are pretty firm to the point of being dictators .
On the original subject of this , the 91 show in question, there was some good stuff in this year ( and even after that ) . I don't listen to Sirius , but they should cover the latter stuff too .

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Poster: agstwst33 Date: Jun 19, 2010 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

I agree..."Samba,""Wave to the Wind,""Way to Go," and even,"If the Shoe Fits."All of these were poorly thought-up songs.....But on the other hand,songs like,"Days Between,""Liberty,""Believe it or Not!,""SOTM," and can`t forget,"So Many Roads,"were all fantastic,beautiful lyrics with matching accompianent....Shows had to be shorten due to noise ordinances,Mr. know-it-all!....You complain about covers that the band did from Chuck Berry/Buddy Holly.....what about The Beatles,Dylan and alot of other people of which I can`t place a name to...all had songs in the Dead`s repitoir,are you going to complain about,"Visions of Johanna,""Rain`" or "Hey Jude?"probably not,most of the time people who send posts with sarcastic BS in them usually don`t think before posting....try again.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 19, 2010 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

they stopped playing Believe it or not in the late 80's didnt they? and that's not an example I'd use to prove the merits of the 90's

I think Hornsby revived Jerry BIG TIME therefore I think there are some very excellent shows in 91, a year I think is unjustly disregarded by many. As for 92-95? Not much there I care to listen to BUT there are some decent shows I've enjoyed listening to.And the last disc of So many roads box set is the only one i ever listen to ( listen to full sets or shows for the older stuff ). I think that album they were working on would have been pretty decent if they had managed to not over produce it and not give Phil and Vince more than one song at most

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Poster: agstwst33 Date: Jun 19, 2010 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

I know,"Believe it or Not,"was atleast played through 1990.Jerry sang it in Ontario,I think??...But,I really like it!...When Jerry put all His Heart into a song,it always shines brighter,and He seemed to do so with,"Believe it or Not!"...I agree with you when saying `91 was a good year,pretty much`88-`91,(Jerry`s clean years)There was a differnce.But a little know-how and patience will also bring show`s from `92-`95 into a person`s radar who`s looking for,mabey not all,but most of the great moments of shows from this era.I know its out there,I`ve heard it.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 19, 2010 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

Bueller? .... Bueller?....

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Poster: billydlions Date: Jun 19, 2010 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

"that they have it,just won`t play it,because of the negative responses that everyone else seems to have about `90`s GD music"

You answered your own question. As far as I'm concerned there's just not a lot to listen to after spring 1990. The only show I ever listen to is 6-17-91, which is only because I was there. There's plenty of variety to listen to from 1967-1990 that we dont need to be reminded about how bad it became after Brent died.

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Poster: agstwst33 Date: Jun 19, 2010 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

That`s just it!!...I`m not one of those who preaches bad religeon on the`90`s....All the mistakes that others find to be a "sin"and ridicule the band and Jerry for..is mostly building strength from older Kidz,who toured the`70`s and find latter material unworthy,only because most of them were stuck @home with responsibilities during the `80`s/`90`s and therefore they insist on searching for any change or differences in the newer music and,of course any mistake that Jerry may have made!.....I don`t hear too many people speaking so truthfully about the 70`s music to begin with.Back then,Bobby sang out of tune,more often then not and they overpowered one another frequently...But,if Jerry misses a lyric or two and decides to play in a softer tone,it`s a CRIME!!...I can find just as many "bad"shows in the 70`s,that you may say of the `90`s,.....I just think Sirius should step up and play it all,not just what "they"or you want to hear.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 19, 2010 11:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

It was partially out of wanting to make "us" happy I suppose, but in retrospect if "we" really cared about Jerry I think "we" would have wished they had stopped touring so much in the 90's, which they should have done, imo, and worried more about their own health and happiness than trying to work so hard maintaining their overhead to make "us" happy. Just my opinion, anyway...

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jun 20, 2010 12:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Today in GD History......

Grateful Dead Productions provided full time jobs for a crew of 40 people on the road and a staff at home in Marin county. They were paid union wages and got health care benifits too. It was expensive! So they were always on a tour. The band felt obligated to them and didn't formally dissolve this corporation until just a few years ago...